1
00:00:01,111 --> 00:00:03,473
Hello and welcome back to our study of the Dhammapada.

2
00:00:04,755 --> 00:00:19,689
Today we continue on with verse 148, which reads as follows.

3
00:00:26,275 --> 00:00:26,916
Which means,

4
00:00:29,005 --> 00:00:37,013
Parijinamidangrupang, this body is old, is aged, completely worn out.

5
00:00:38,554 --> 00:00:43,999
Roganirang, a nest of disease, sickness.

6
00:00:45,641 --> 00:00:55,570
Pabhangurang, it is subject to, or it is weak, it is subject to destruction, it's fragile.

7
00:00:58,790 --> 00:01:06,758
binjati putisande ho, this mass of

8
00:01:09,067 --> 00:01:12,072
filth breaks.

9
00:01:13,354 --> 00:01:24,231
This one is, I think, a reference to the idea of a pot filled with, we have the idea of the body being a pot full of urine and feces and when you die it breaks.

10
00:01:25,372 --> 00:01:30,500
Or a pot that has many holes, it's leaky, it's cracked and there are leaks.

11
00:01:31,782 --> 00:01:32,944
That's what the body is like.

12
00:01:34,547 --> 00:01:36,610
And when you die it breaks.

13
00:01:39,188 --> 00:01:44,015
for death is the end of life.

14
00:01:44,876 --> 00:01:56,112
Not a very pleasant or upbeat verse, but a useful one nonetheless.

15
00:01:58,194 --> 00:02:04,403
So the story goes, this is a story of the Nan Uttara,

16
00:02:08,129 --> 00:02:09,330
I'm not sure which Uttara.

17
00:02:09,350 --> 00:02:12,234
It seems there were several Uttara nuns.

18
00:02:13,375 --> 00:02:16,098
But Uttara was committed.

19
00:02:16,138 --> 00:02:22,966
She was quite a committed or devoted, reckless bhikkhuni.

20
00:02:24,968 --> 00:02:30,134
And for all of her life she went on alms round until she was 120 years old.

21
00:02:31,516 --> 00:02:32,878
Alms round is an interesting thing.

22
00:02:32,938 --> 00:02:34,980
You start to appreciate food.

23
00:02:36,361 --> 00:02:37,343
in a whole new way.

24
00:02:37,763 --> 00:02:39,266
And people give it to you.

25
00:02:39,927 --> 00:02:44,534
They often give you what's left over or they give to you what is most dear to them.

26
00:02:47,138 --> 00:02:52,066
But having to go out into the village really makes you mindful of the need to eat.

27
00:02:53,649 --> 00:02:55,812
How it's the one thing that we can't escape.

28
00:02:55,933 --> 00:02:58,897
It's this one sickness that we have, this need to eat.

29
00:02:59,138 --> 00:03:00,580
We're addicted to food.

30
00:03:02,905 --> 00:03:09,692
This body requires constant and repeated nourishment day after day after day.

31
00:03:12,155 --> 00:03:18,361
And so you sort of look at food in a whole new way, not as this thing that I must have, but this thing that I may get.

32
00:03:18,522 --> 00:03:20,804
And if I get, it means my life will continue.

33
00:03:20,844 --> 00:03:23,467
And if I don't get it, well, my life may end.

34
00:03:24,508 --> 00:03:26,830
You become somewhat liberated.

35
00:03:26,870 --> 00:03:28,973
Amtran is liberating.

36
00:03:28,993 --> 00:03:32,136
I mean, it's incredibly liberating through its humility.

37
00:03:32,116 --> 00:03:34,158
It's almost as though you're begging.

38
00:03:34,779 --> 00:03:38,183
Of course, we're not allowed to beg, but you would walk through the village.

39
00:03:40,986 --> 00:04:00,688
It's wonderful because people are delighted to offer food to monks, not just in Asia, but also in North America and Europe and throughout the world, really.

40
00:04:02,575 --> 00:04:20,619
I would take that as the basis of this story because the story goes that this nun, 120 years old, having practiced alms round her whole life, at one time she saw a particular monk walking on alms round.

41
00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,542
It doesn't say anything about this monk.

42
00:04:23,737 --> 00:04:38,461
as a certain monk, but perhaps he was enlightened, perhaps he appeared enlightened or appeared somehow worthy of respect, or perhaps not.

43
00:04:38,581 --> 00:04:40,825
Perhaps it was a means of humbling him.

44
00:04:42,327 --> 00:04:43,409
She gave him all of his food.

45
00:04:43,449 --> 00:04:47,095
She asked permission if she could give him his food, and she gave him all of her food.

46
00:04:49,893 --> 00:04:51,155
I don't think I've ever done that before.

47
00:04:51,175 --> 00:04:52,357
I've given some of my food.

48
00:04:52,397 --> 00:04:54,761
Often on alms round you'll meet another monk or a nun.

49
00:04:56,244 --> 00:05:04,197
And especially the nuns, I would often give them food because in Asia it's not always sure that they're going to get food the same as the monks.

50
00:05:05,219 --> 00:05:12,171
Of course, honestly, I think what I realized is that they often get more because people are so appreciative of the rarity of the nuns.

51
00:05:14,885 --> 00:05:18,737
Anyway, she gave him all of her food and had none for herself.

52
00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:23,612
I think another thing you could say is at 120, she wasn't really all that concerned with living on.

53
00:05:26,258 --> 00:05:29,463
whatever her reason, she did and went without food for that day.

54
00:05:30,144 --> 00:05:35,471
The next day she met the monk again and did the same thing, and so on for a third day.

55
00:05:36,593 --> 00:05:38,776
At which point she started to become quite weak.

56
00:05:39,818 --> 00:05:45,245
It was an interesting choice that she made of practice, probably not a wise one in the end.

57
00:05:46,888 --> 00:05:48,510
On the fourth day she met the Buddha.

58
00:05:49,311 --> 00:05:51,895
Perhaps the Buddha was interested in

59
00:05:52,955 --> 00:05:57,921
sort of maybe jolting her back into proper practice.

60
00:05:59,383 --> 00:05:59,904
I'm not sure.

61
00:06:02,707 --> 00:06:05,931
But when she met the teacher, I guess it was crowded, it says.

62
00:06:06,852 --> 00:06:09,676
And so she stepped back to let the teacher go by.

63
00:06:10,356 --> 00:06:18,186
And when she stepped back, she stepped on her robe and tripped and fell, sprawling on the ground.

64
00:06:20,191 --> 00:06:23,776
Well, the Buddha has an interesting way about him, obviously.

65
00:06:24,598 --> 00:06:26,621
Quite a unique mannerism.

66
00:06:31,027 --> 00:06:38,378
Very much in terms of letting people deal with their karma, it doesn't appear that he actually tried to help the woman up or get someone to help her up.

67
00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,082
It was a learning experience for her.

68
00:06:41,102 --> 00:06:42,945
I mean, she could get up on her own, I guess.

69
00:06:43,986 --> 00:06:46,350
But what he did is he walked over and he gave her a teaching.

70
00:06:47,291 --> 00:06:48,493
This was a teaching for her.

71
00:06:50,414 --> 00:06:51,556
And he didn't criticize her.

72
00:06:51,576 --> 00:06:54,159
He didn't say, hey, why are you giving, why are you so weak?

73
00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:55,361
Why are you not eating?

74
00:06:55,401 --> 00:06:56,142
That kind of thing.

75
00:06:58,104 --> 00:07:02,270
But he gave her a teaching that was actually somewhat apropos, because it wasn't really wrong what she was doing.

76
00:07:03,812 --> 00:07:06,996
That's something that could easily be realized in her situation.

77
00:07:07,617 --> 00:07:09,700
And this is the teaching he gave her about her body.

78
00:07:10,641 --> 00:07:15,387
Look at this body that you've made very weak, and that is weak by its very nature.

79
00:07:16,329 --> 00:07:17,350
And it's so fragile.

80
00:07:18,848 --> 00:07:26,179
Perhaps it was even a reminder that this body is not something that you can take lightly.

81
00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:27,261
You can't just abuse it.

82
00:07:28,903 --> 00:07:32,389
Anyway, he taught her this verse.

83
00:07:32,409 --> 00:07:35,273
As a result of the verse, apparently, she became a Sotapanna.

84
00:07:38,538 --> 00:07:41,843
Many beings around were able to gain benefits.

85
00:07:41,863 --> 00:07:47,472
The teaching was of great benefit to many.

86
00:07:51,518 --> 00:07:53,081
It's a great benefit to us, I think.

87
00:07:53,922 --> 00:07:58,149
I mean, all of us are quite young here in Hamilton.

88
00:07:59,932 --> 00:08:04,179
Everybody in Second Life, of course, looks young and beautiful, but we don't really know the truth.

89
00:08:08,406 --> 00:08:09,167
But it doesn't matter.

90
00:08:09,227 --> 00:08:12,412
The commentary says about this pabangurang.

91
00:08:12,833 --> 00:08:14,556
No, yeah, pabangurang.

92
00:08:15,667 --> 00:08:23,020
Pabangurang means fragile or subject to pabanchati, which means breakage or destruction.

93
00:08:24,643 --> 00:08:25,405
Easily broken.

94
00:08:26,827 --> 00:08:36,605
It says about this word that it means even a young person is frail.

95
00:08:37,947 --> 00:08:39,430
Even young people are fragile.

96
00:08:43,190 --> 00:08:55,949
So the lesson for us, I think, there's so much that can be said, but to start at the beginning is we think of all the ways we look at the body as being powerful, healthy.

97
00:08:57,130 --> 00:08:59,233
Some people even think of the body as a temple.

98
00:08:59,334 --> 00:09:00,996
We have many ways of looking at the body.

99
00:09:03,541 --> 00:09:13,494
Most of us just have a concept of it being our body, subject to our whim, capable, capable of so much.

100
00:09:15,577 --> 00:09:24,890
We may not consciously think of it, wow, this body is capable of so much, but we take for granted that the body is, we can do anything we want with the body.

101
00:09:24,910 --> 00:09:27,033
We take our legs for granted that we can walk.

102
00:09:27,133 --> 00:09:33,261
We take our arms and our hands for granted that we can manipulate all the many things, anything that we like.

103
00:09:38,236 --> 00:09:41,580
We take our eyes for granted that we can see, our ears that we can hear.

104
00:09:42,902 --> 00:09:44,344
We take our teeth for granted.

105
00:09:44,624 --> 00:09:46,386
We take everything for granted.

106
00:09:47,548 --> 00:09:51,272
And you can see where I'm going with this, that it's quite misleading.

107
00:09:51,312 --> 00:10:00,784
It's one of those many things, the body is one of many things that we become incredibly attached to, to our detriment, to our eventual detriment.

108
00:10:03,734 --> 00:10:09,143
People think that old age, the suffering of old age is a part of life and we just have to bear with it.

109
00:10:10,365 --> 00:10:12,328
Really the truth is we set ourselves up for it.

110
00:10:12,808 --> 00:10:21,663
We set ourselves up for a great amount of fear and worry and anxiety about growing old, about getting sick and about dying.

111
00:10:23,345 --> 00:10:27,632
How many people are afraid of death, afraid of their own death?

112
00:10:29,519 --> 00:10:34,106
or repulsed by the thought of dying because of how intoxicated they are.

113
00:10:35,568 --> 00:10:40,515
The body is such a great producer of chemicals as well and pleasure.

114
00:10:43,199 --> 00:10:53,274
When we run and jump and play and sing and dance, so many wonderful hormones in the brain become activated and give us such wonderful pleasure.

115
00:10:55,437 --> 00:10:57,180
So we become intoxicated by this.

116
00:11:00,485 --> 00:11:03,531
to our detriment.

117
00:11:03,551 --> 00:11:09,482
Because we don't become happier, we don't start to live happier lives, we just get more and more addicted.

118
00:11:10,685 --> 00:11:14,612
We don't smile more, we don't feel more at peace.

119
00:11:17,005 --> 00:11:18,607
These things come from somewhere else.

120
00:11:18,927 --> 00:11:21,871
These things come from wisdom and understanding and in fact letting go.

121
00:11:21,951 --> 00:11:30,681
That's why you see old people often quite at peace because they've had to come to terms and they've had to realize, I can't get all this pleasure that I wanted.

122
00:11:33,264 --> 00:11:40,633
Old people, once they realize they can't have sexual intercourse anymore, once they realize they can't dance anymore, once all of these things fade away,

123
00:11:44,225 --> 00:11:45,386
They become much more peaceful.

124
00:11:46,067 --> 00:11:56,658
Perhaps not happier because there still will be residual addiction and they'll find other ways to find pleasure but in general they have to come to terms.

125
00:12:00,703 --> 00:12:04,166
Which is a good thing because as I said they tend to be more peaceful.

126
00:12:04,326 --> 00:12:13,236
So a person who wants to find peace, we go through our lives agitated, stressed, thinking we're happy, thinking the body is bringing us happy but with such stress and suffering

127
00:12:15,038 --> 00:12:28,812
Whereas if we took this kind of teaching, even now, even as young people, and we saw the body for what it is, a nest of disease, a nest of sickness, a place where sickness grows, right?

128
00:12:30,445 --> 00:12:31,467
It really is a nest.

129
00:12:31,688 --> 00:12:34,996
These bacteria and viruses, they just love our body.

130
00:12:35,737 --> 00:12:37,081
It's a breeding ground for them.

131
00:12:37,822 --> 00:12:40,168
Oh, look at this wonderful nest that has been put here.

132
00:12:40,489 --> 00:12:42,874
It's just walking around, touching things and picking up.

133
00:12:43,736 --> 00:12:45,540
Picks me up, puts me in its mouth.

134
00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:48,387
Oh, wonderful place to live and grow.

135
00:12:52,670 --> 00:12:53,551
To our benefit.

136
00:12:53,811 --> 00:12:55,873
Seeing this is not a pessimistic teaching.

137
00:12:55,954 --> 00:12:57,735
It's not meant to make you feel awful.

138
00:12:58,416 --> 00:13:01,940
It's in fact meant to free you from addiction to the body.

139
00:13:03,361 --> 00:13:05,043
The body is such a curious thing, right?

140
00:13:06,625 --> 00:13:14,553
Scientists have convinced us that it's just sort of by natural selection, right?

141
00:13:14,573 --> 00:13:21,681
But we would argue, science has never been well able to take into account the mind.

142
00:13:25,103 --> 00:13:31,933
Just as I was preparing for this talk, one of my Sri Lankan friends in Florida sent me a quote.

143
00:13:31,953 --> 00:13:37,381
We'd been arguing about science and whether science actually says anything about the nature of the world.

144
00:13:37,401 --> 00:13:39,484
And he sent me a Bohr quote, a quote of Niels Bohr.

145
00:13:41,107 --> 00:13:43,330
And Bohr is wonderful.

146
00:13:43,410 --> 00:13:49,980
He says, there is no quantum world.

147
00:13:51,479 --> 00:13:55,284
Physics doesn't attempt to explain the nature of reality.

148
00:13:56,385 --> 00:13:58,928
It just describes our experience, really.

149
00:14:00,370 --> 00:14:07,579
Our experience of it, or our encounters with it, or whatever.

150
00:14:07,599 --> 00:14:16,930
Why I bring that up is because it calls into question the idea that the body even exists, or that this idea of natural selection is even the right way of looking at things.

151
00:14:20,183 --> 00:14:23,386
Certainly from a Buddhist point of view, we look at it quite differently.

152
00:14:23,467 --> 00:14:25,288
It's the mind playing a large part.

153
00:14:25,349 --> 00:14:27,511
The mind did this, right?

154
00:14:27,531 --> 00:14:28,732
We did this to ourselves.

155
00:14:30,014 --> 00:14:33,077
Which sort of makes you look at it in a different way.

156
00:14:34,238 --> 00:14:39,203
When you look at the body as something we've done to ourselves, you say, well, jeez, this is the best I could have done.

157
00:14:41,686 --> 00:14:43,508
No titanium bones or

158
00:14:44,922 --> 00:14:46,545
A skin that was a little tougher.

159
00:14:47,587 --> 00:14:50,754
Maybe this facial hair we could have done without that.

160
00:14:55,724 --> 00:14:56,906
So much we would have done better.

161
00:14:56,946 --> 00:14:59,411
Teeth, make my teeth a little stronger.

162
00:15:00,433 --> 00:15:01,976
Sugar, what's up with this?

163
00:15:02,297 --> 00:15:03,820
Sugar rots my teeth.

164
00:15:05,203 --> 00:15:05,884
How puny.

165
00:15:08,159 --> 00:15:08,800
bacteria.

166
00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,406
Bacteria get on your teeth and they eat the sugar and they rot, they corrode.

167
00:15:14,788 --> 00:15:16,430
They corrode the enamel of your teeth.

168
00:15:16,671 --> 00:15:19,735
What a worthless, poorly made instrument.

169
00:15:21,898 --> 00:15:23,540
It gets old, sick and dies.

170
00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,866
They're machines.

171
00:15:28,367 --> 00:15:30,690
Machines that we make now.

172
00:15:31,632 --> 00:15:33,114
will last longer than this body.

173
00:15:33,674 --> 00:15:37,618
But the body is a manifestation of all that we are.

174
00:15:37,678 --> 00:15:39,941
It's pretty pitiful, really.

175
00:15:40,581 --> 00:15:41,522
This is all we are.

176
00:15:42,663 --> 00:15:44,185
We don't think like this, but we should.

177
00:15:46,487 --> 00:15:47,508
Couldn't I have done better?

178
00:15:47,969 --> 00:15:48,389
You can.

179
00:15:48,970 --> 00:15:49,831
Angels do better.

180
00:15:49,911 --> 00:15:50,792
Gods do better.

181
00:15:50,852 --> 00:15:52,674
Wow, their bodies must be wonderful.

182
00:15:54,235 --> 00:15:56,037
You can always become an angel or a god.

183
00:16:00,725 --> 00:16:07,177
So these are different ways we can... There's so much that we can learn from this idea, this way of looking at the world.

184
00:16:08,379 --> 00:16:10,723
They talk about the nature of the body for a long time.

185
00:16:11,965 --> 00:16:16,113
But to delve right into how it's useful for us as meditators, I think that's the most important.

186
00:16:18,998 --> 00:16:21,282
I think this is sort of a...

187
00:16:22,848 --> 00:16:26,332
a good description of the sort of thing that you'll come to understand through meditation.

188
00:16:27,514 --> 00:16:33,220
You see that the body, the body is how we contact, the body is how we experience sensations.

189
00:16:33,561 --> 00:16:40,349
The body is responsible for much of our pleasure and pain, right?

190
00:16:40,369 --> 00:16:43,413
Well, for all of the physical pleasure and physical pain that we experience.

191
00:16:47,437 --> 00:16:51,302
So we come to see that the body is something we have to carry around with us.

192
00:16:53,138 --> 00:16:57,123
When you meditate, well, it'd be nice if we could meditate and leave our bodies, right?

193
00:16:58,324 --> 00:17:00,126
Do some transcendental meditation.

194
00:17:01,228 --> 00:17:07,636
The more you meditate when you're here doing a meditation course, you start to realize, this body isn't something useful.

195
00:17:07,736 --> 00:17:09,938
It's something that I have to care for and take care of.

196
00:17:09,978 --> 00:17:12,822
All I want to do is meditate, and look, I have to go and eat.

197
00:17:14,223 --> 00:17:14,924
I have to sleep.

198
00:17:15,845 --> 00:17:17,247
I have to adjust my position.

199
00:17:17,327 --> 00:17:18,128
I can't just sit.

200
00:17:18,148 --> 00:17:19,310
I have to get up and walk.

201
00:17:20,111 --> 00:17:21,152
I can't walk forever.

202
00:17:21,172 --> 00:17:22,133
I have to sit down.

203
00:17:23,851 --> 00:17:29,699
I itch, it gets hot, it gets cold, I urinate, I defecate, sometimes I get sick.

204
00:17:33,383 --> 00:17:43,136
Never mind if you fall down and break a limb, get cut, get bruised, poke an eye out.

205
00:17:44,237 --> 00:17:48,002
So many things can happen to this body.

206
00:17:49,788 --> 00:17:58,698
So as meditators this sort of thing comes up and I think talking about it, always talking about the things that we might experience in meditation or should experience in meditation is quite useful.

207
00:17:59,539 --> 00:18:04,064
Because when we do realize them it helps reaffirm what we're experiencing and clarify it for us.

208
00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:06,127
Yeah, that is what I'm seeing.

209
00:18:08,449 --> 00:18:10,992
Realizing that this body is not quite what I thought it was.

210
00:18:11,913 --> 00:18:14,876
Realizing how silly we were to think of how wonderful this body is.

211
00:18:16,358 --> 00:18:17,179
It's so silly.

212
00:18:18,442 --> 00:18:22,528
And you want to understand how silly it is.

213
00:18:22,588 --> 00:18:24,931
Dogs think the same things about their bodies.

214
00:18:25,792 --> 00:18:28,116
They look at our bodies and say, huh, that's ugly.

215
00:18:29,217 --> 00:18:31,240
But their own bodies, wow, those are beautiful.

216
00:18:31,300 --> 00:18:41,394
And bodies of other dogs, rats, bugs, insects.

217
00:18:41,514 --> 00:18:44,078
Insects will look at each other and think, wow, you're beautiful.

218
00:18:45,239 --> 00:18:46,280
They'll look at their bodies.

219
00:18:46,340 --> 00:18:49,825
If you ever know birds, birds are wonderful in this way, always preening their feathers.

220
00:18:51,246 --> 00:18:56,773
I think they have to do it to fly as well, but it's pretty clear that they're vain.

221
00:18:59,096 --> 00:19:00,598
How attached they are to their bodies.

222
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,282
Flea-infested bodies.

223
00:19:07,406 --> 00:19:09,829
Smelly, dirty bodies.

224
00:19:12,695 --> 00:19:13,941
Yeah, we don't have to be negative.

225
00:19:13,961 --> 00:19:14,845
That is so negative.

226
00:19:15,206 --> 00:19:16,552
In fact, that's all conceptual.

227
00:19:16,874 --> 00:19:18,722
The body is even all conceptual.

228
00:19:20,187 --> 00:19:26,395
On a deep level in our meditation practice, this teaching has to be taken on a momentary level.

229
00:19:27,377 --> 00:19:29,940
So the real destruction of the body is every moment.

230
00:19:30,901 --> 00:19:33,865
When you extend your arm, that arises.

231
00:19:34,586 --> 00:19:35,888
When you stop, it ceases.

232
00:19:36,609 --> 00:19:39,413
When you flex your arm, you're born and die.

233
00:19:39,473 --> 00:19:42,537
That movement is what we mean by body.

234
00:19:43,618 --> 00:19:45,621
It arises and it ceases in that moment.

235
00:19:47,339 --> 00:19:52,447
When you feel pain, physical pain, that's an experience that arises and ceases.

236
00:19:56,394 --> 00:20:01,121
So we come to this sort of thing that Bohr came to, that this quantum physicist came to.

237
00:20:01,221 --> 00:20:02,503
The world doesn't really exist.

238
00:20:04,026 --> 00:20:06,630
All that we can say about the world is what we experience.

239
00:20:12,584 --> 00:20:15,308
So we have to work on both these levels.

240
00:20:15,729 --> 00:20:22,979
We have to work on the conceptual level to help us see through our attachments to concepts.

241
00:20:24,101 --> 00:20:39,283
Once we see that the body is not a source of refuge, we see that it's subject to dissolution and impermanence, and we see deeper that it doesn't actually even exist.

242
00:20:39,263 --> 00:20:41,308
We die every moment.

243
00:20:41,568 --> 00:20:44,615
The body is born and dies with every experience.

244
00:20:47,141 --> 00:20:48,444
And we really let go of the body.

245
00:20:48,784 --> 00:20:50,949
I mean, that's where the greatest peace comes from.

246
00:20:51,911 --> 00:20:57,103
Because when you see the body as not even existing, it's really just experiences arising and ceasing.

247
00:20:59,311 --> 00:21:01,674
then old age, sickness and death can't come to you.

248
00:21:01,695 --> 00:21:05,921
And that's a real good reason to, it gives us impetus to practice.

249
00:21:06,802 --> 00:21:11,489
When we realize that our attachment to the body is a real problem, we're going to die soon.

250
00:21:12,531 --> 00:21:14,974
We're going to get old, we're going to get sick and we're going to die.

251
00:21:15,014 --> 00:21:20,803
Much to our benefit if we can practice meditation and learn to let go of it and learn to see through it.

252
00:21:22,365 --> 00:21:25,690
Learn to see this truth that the body doesn't even exist.

253
00:21:27,256 --> 00:21:30,400
Then when it gets old, sick and dies, you didn't lose anything.

254
00:21:31,842 --> 00:21:33,444
People say Buddhism is nihilistic.

255
00:21:33,584 --> 00:21:35,506
Buddhism is denialistic, I suppose.

256
00:21:36,387 --> 00:21:41,394
We deny the existence of so many things that most people take for granted as existing.

257
00:21:43,476 --> 00:21:54,630
I think that Bohr quote is more apt than he perhaps understood, although I think he was a rather wise individual in that

258
00:21:56,635 --> 00:22:00,803
It's really only experience that exists.

259
00:22:00,823 --> 00:22:01,365
So there you go.

260
00:22:02,587 --> 00:22:04,230
That's the Dhammapada for this evening.

261
00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:06,575
That's our Dhamma talk for today.

262
00:22:07,938 --> 00:22:11,505
Wishing you all good practice and a peaceful, happy life.